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So. I really didn't want to come to a place like this, but my therapist has recommended I look for people who've been there as well. I've spent 20-30 mins just reading on this site, looking for hope. This just doesn't look like there can be happiness anymore. Everyday is pain following pain. Sleep is non existent. How the fuck am I supposed to do life ? Forget work (bricklayer 22 years) that's gone. Forget fitness (boxer) that's gone. Forget food (celiac+uc-jpouch) that's gone. What exactly is there left that could possibly counter weight the endless pain and worry ? Truly if someone can tell me something real and not senseless positivity stupidity lines like " at least you're alive" or " it's all about being positive". It's a miserable existence full of absolutely no help whatsoever. Money struggles and inability to fix them. I am a burden to my family and this society. I wish I would just die already. You know it'll only get worse somehow as well. It's never gotten better in years and years. Not 1 good turn. Fuck this. It's no life

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Lee, if you are looking for help relating to your J pouch, this is a good place to be.  Many of us have been through difficult times with our pouches and have received suggestions from group members.  A good starting point would be to tell us what problems you are having with your pouch and I know some group members will respond.   If your distress is primarily psychological in nature, there are other groups that can better assist you.  I do hope that you can find happiness and a way to enjoy life.

What other groups help for psychological things ? I have those issues but it's mostly because of the diseases Im plagued by. I'm not accustomed to this environment I'm afraid so I'm likely going to do it all wrong. In a nutshell, if I eat food, il sit on the toilet for hours day and night, and it'll be painful enough that il scream. It burns so fierce and il be bleeding. I eat once a day as little as I can. I have a dietitian and following her plan. But it doesn't matter what I eat, the result is the same. I don't sleep. There's always pain.

Hi Lee,

Welcome! We are here to help you and would love to do so.

I agree with BillV and YT’s sentiments. I have also been  where you are today with the exact same feelings.

Would it be possible for you to give us some more information about your case and history?

I could ask a lot of questions and make a lot of general statements but I do not think that would be helpful, so if you could put some of your issues in context for us, I am very certain that our collective experiences will be of help.

I hope you are able to obtain the relief you are seeking.

eric

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Lee… I was the same…. How on earth was I to ever go back to work….. well, after my recovery I was able to and still working for over a year now. I am a plumber by trade. I am able to eat almost anything. IT WILL GET BETTER….much better. You just need to give your body some time to heal. Get past the feeling of passing broken glass and molten lava. Unfortunately the only thing that helped me was time (15 months to return to work) the changes were very slow for me but in time my life rocks…listen to what this site has to offer ask questions these people really have gone through what you are experiencing and can really help you in your recovery…I wish you the best Lee we are here for you…….remember….your colon removed stomach bile from your waste and now is gone. It takes time for your pouch to learn how to be a colon.  Consuming pumpkin as well as adding some lemon juice in water helped with the butt burn. I also used sensitive baby wipes and calmoseptine after every trip to the bathroom.

Hi Lee, it seems to me that if your GI issues would improve, your depression and feelings of hopelessness woud improve, too. Like others have said, it would be good to hear more about your history. If you are new to J-pouching, it will take some time to really heal and figure out how to work with your J-pouch. If you are early on, the foods that are causing you distress now may not do it in the future. I remember eating cooked tomatoes (puttanesca sauce) post J-pouch early on and it really sent me to the toilet with distress. Now I can eat them.  For starters, I would recommend:

(1) Getting a bidet--you can install a cold water one for $50-100; (2) using an ointment on your anus everytime after you poop (I have used Calmoseptine and now use Medline Remedy Olivamine Calazime Skin Protectant Paste Cream. ; (3) avoid over-drinking carbonated beverages for some time (4) chew your food really well; (5) consider a low-FODMAP diet  to calm your intestines down---https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/treatments/22466-low-fodmap-diet; (6) use a heating pad on your belly and rest when you are having a rough time. Be good to yourself; (7) if you are gassy, try some abdominal massage. Don't be afraid to dig in there. You may have some food that is having trouble getting around your scar tissue. (8) taking imodium, pepto bismol, or other aids that can slow down your digestion (9) using psyillium husk fiber to thicken up your stool.

These are tips that I think experienced J-pouchers use to help themselves. I am sorry if you have tried many of these already and they have not worked. We need to know more in order to help you on the J-pouch side of things!

Sorry I wasn't sure I was going to come back to this. Not a good day. Il try to give a basic rundown of what happened to now. 6+ years ago my son was born. The night we got him home I pooped until the sun came up. Wifey had high blood pressure so we were on a whole wheat diet. I had celiac. Some months later was diagnosed. But I had uc as well, but they couldn't find it for some months more. Then came arthritis. I got hammered relentlessly for 6 years until they took my colon out in a 3 stage. 2+ mo ths ago had the reversal. Haven't been good for years now and not sure I got any fight left in me. Still bleed when I poop, and it burns something fierce. On low fodmap since hospital and everything else you can try to my knowledge over the years. Just can't handle anything. Got a dietitian who's stumped. Surgeon won't talk to me. My g.i has seen me once in the past 2 years. What more can I tell you that's helpful?

Never sleeping makes a person feel insane for sure on top of feeling lousy, and never sleeping makes it harder to heal.  That in itself sucks really hard, then all the pain on top of that.  So awful.  I have found recently that organic psyllium husk powder helps in slowing down the guts.  It might give your guts a little time to rest, and also your mind.  Also its very gentle and soothing.  If you try it, please start with a small amount.  Dieticians can only estimate what might be good for the body at any given point, but really, the expert is the person's own gut.  The problem with that is we have to find out by experience.  I recommend "Listen to Your Gut" by Jini Patel.  It was recommended to me by someone on this site, and it is super informative and empowering.  In the mean time, aloe juice or gel can help soothe the guts (again try a small amount).  Ginger and Turmeric can be great for joint pain and general aches.  And practically every J-poucher takes probiotics in some form.  As with everything, start with a small amount and see if it works for you because your body and your gut flora will respond differently than mine, and it will respond differently from itself at different times.  Once you get balanced out more, you will be able to handle more.  It can get better.  It's awful to feel sick all the time and to never even have a break through sleep. I have been there and I wanted to die, too. 

Some people on this site have had a lot of luck with antibiotics to manage the pouch problems.  Have you tried anything like that?  I wouldn't be one to speak to that, but plenty of others can offer insight on what has worked for them, and you may be able to get your GP to write you a prescription if you have the name of something from those with that type of experience.

Also, I hate how you got this major J-pouch surgery and then just got abandoned by the medical profession.  Or at least that is what it sounds like.  That seems unethical to me and I feel like lots of people get this J-pouch surgery and then are just out on their ass.  I sought medical advice afterwards, but nothing they gave me ever helped and in fact, most of the time, it made symptoms worse and whatever freaky pharmaceutical they gave me had all these crazy, unhealthy side-effects, so I stopped asking them because they didn't know anything. 

@Lee-squire posted:

Sorry I wasn't sure I was going to come back to this. Not a good day. Il try to give a basic rundown of what happened to now. 6+ years ago my son was born. The night we got him home I pooped until the sun came up. Wifey had high blood pressure so we were on a whole wheat diet. I had celiac. Some months later was diagnosed. But I had uc as well, but they couldn't find it for some months more. Then came arthritis. I got hammered relentlessly for 6 years until they took my colon out in a 3 stage. 2+ mo ths ago had the reversal. Haven't been good for years now and not sure I got any fight left in me. Still bleed when I poop, and it burns something fierce. On low fodmap since hospital and everything else you can try to my knowledge over the years. Just can't handle anything. Got a dietitian who's stumped. Surgeon won't talk to me. My g.i has seen me once in the past 2 years. What more can I tell you that's helpful?

Do you live in the U.S.?
Bleeding when you go to the bathroom doesn’t sound good, you should not have bleeding. Not being able to speak to your doctor is definitely not a good sign, you need to find the right doctor, someone that specializes in the jpouch. If you live in the US we can certainly help you find one.
A fodmap diet works when trying to figure out what you can handle, it doesn’t sound like it’s working for you.  The doc always put me on the BRAT diet/ old school, until things settled down, Bananas, Rice, Applesauce & Tea. Rice is a good bulking agent, it seems like you need something to bulk your stool up. Quinoa also helps, gentle on the stomach, and provides protein & vitamins.
I would suggest some type baby rash ointment for your bottom, Im sure it’s very raw down there. You need to keep it on all the time for it to heal, not just when you go to the bathroom. I use Triple Paste, it’s a little expensive but works fantastic. Do not use Desitin it burns.
We are here to help you, it may take a while but it will get better.

Hi lee,

thanks for providing some background info for us. I think it’s a good starting point.

I am not surprised that your surgeon has checked out. Beyond the initial first several months post surgery, my surgeon has no participation related to my ongoing care.

my GI has been with me for almost 6 years and coordinates all of my care related to IBD and my UC and now my jpouch.

have you had a pouchoscopy? If not,  aligned yourself with a GI who is experienced in pouches. You need to know if you are dealing with mechanical and/or functional issues.

The bleeding is concerning to me, and I would want to know why.  There are a number one of things that could be causing your problems, but you need to know if your pouch is mechanically sound and this can only be accomplished via a physical exam.  And while they are in there they can also evaluate you for pouchititis and cuffititis.

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Hi Lee,

The intense burning when you poop makes me think you have a fissure in or near your anus. I just had a friend go through this. The cure was, believe it or not, an injection of botox in her anus (she was under anesthesia for the procedure). It was very helpful to her. I think what others have said to help with your other issues--the need to slow down your digestion and what might help, and most importantly, the need for you to find someone who will pay attention to you and really understand your medical issues---is fantastic advice.  I think what you can do now while working on finding the right practitioner for you is focus on slowing down digestion (there are lots of natural and medical ways to try), addressing your pain (tylenol or advil?); and curbing your diet way back (sounds like the BRAT diet may be the way to go for right now for more immediate relief).  Having been on this site for a while now, I know that we each have to find our way with managing the J-pouches. It helps to read what other people have done that has helped them.  Then you have to try them and see if they work for you.

I really hope you get some relief. As someone commented, the lack of sleeping alone really compounds the issue. Lack of sleep affects your entire outlook and really messes with your mind!

Try some of these things, while finding an expert who can really address your issues and let us know how you are!

How do we go about finding this practioner/expert ? I've bounced around gi's and been all over my city. I've been told by multiple medical types that it's just ' not a good time ' to have problems. The staff is slammed by covid and I can't get hold of my doctor's for months at a time. They never contact me to see how it is going. I tried to go to a chronic pain clinic to find ways to cope, but there's a 16 month wait list. I went to the only sleep clinic in Calgary, and they told me they can't help me after weeks of trying. I'm finding it a bit of a wall to even find help.

Ugh.  Internet might help in finding a specialist.  Word of mouth----Anyone else in this group from Calgary?  I have seen people post those kinds of topics on this group before-you might find someone in your area.

In the mean time, I would keep reading observations and musings from people in this group and go with suggestions you seem drawn to.  If it's pharmaceuticals like antibiotics, then make an appointment with a non-specialist, family doctor-type and then just tell them what you want them to do after you have gotten help from this group.  I have found most doctors are open to getting me whatever pharmaceuticals I need within reason. 

Here are my best OTC dietary supplemental ideas (ease into these):

  • Organic psyllium powder with water - follow directions for this. 
  • Electrolytes (love the saltstick lozenges
  • L-Glutamine powder (helps rebuild intestinal tissue-takes a while to take effect)
  • Probiotics (especially Visbiome)
  • Zinc can also help with general healing, aloe too.

Topically (for the butt)

  • Non-alcohol based plain witch hazel
  • Handheld bidet (so you can control the water pressure depending on how you're feeling and aim where you need it)
  • Fissure oil from "Forces of Nature" (https://www.amazon.com/gp/prod...le?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
  • Aloe gel fresh from a plant

Mechanical

  • Try different seated positions while pooping so you don't have to push with your internal muscles. 
  • Wait and just mindfully allow the anal sphincter to relax. 
  • Massage your guts to help get everything out.  I push in and down right below my belly button to trap what's in my pouch and then just hold the pressure until the fecal matter and gas move down and out out of me.  Sometimes I have to use internal muscles a little right at the end, but this keeps the straining to a minimum.  I do that a few times until the pouch is as empty as possible and then I don't have to visit the toilet as often.

If you're having a lot of pain right at the anal opening, and fresh, red blood, it could be a fissure or a really bad hemorrhoid.  Sometimes that kind of pain is there all the time, just worse right after we go, and we get fearful of pooping because the pain is debilitating right after.  For that, fresh aloe has been my best helper in healing along with the psyllium to make good soft poops that have a mucous-like external layer (doesn't make your guts and anus raw-actually coats and soothes) and the mechanical things I mentioned.  I have even used the sunburn kind of aloe gel (go for organic if you have to do that) but that mixture stings somewhat: it's not best for that kind of tissue but will do in a pinch.

These things have worked for me and I didn't have to get them from the MD.  It gets expensive but it's much better than being in pain. 

I'm actually English and moved to Canada where my wife is from. Not that it makes any difference to this. But sadly no, I'm in diet straights financially as I've not been able to work for some time because of what's happened. I wasnt eligible for government benefits as I could not work. Fucked up how that works. I've applied for something that may help but it takes minimum 6 months to process. In the meantime I've accumulated debt just trying to get by. So anything that costs I just can't see a way

It's just another way that feels like there's no place for me in this world. There's nothing I know of ( looked extensively) that is set up to aid people in this situation. I want to work and pay my way and be a part of society. I just can't. I've tried my hardest and made myself quite unwell doing so. I don't know where to turn with it in any direction

I could just scream and rant about how I hate socialized medicine, but it is just not appropriate for me to do so on this forum.

Lee, I spent the first 6 months of my jpouch existence with fire shooting out of butt.

The combination of three things eliminated my issues

1. I eliminated all extended release medications and supplements I was on.

2. I take Imodium three times daily, breakfast, dinner, bedtime.  This slows down your transit times and allows the stool to become less caustic.

3. When I spasm I take a drug called Levsin under my tongue that stops everything for several hours and gives me relief.

4. Don’t overdose these drugs as it can lead to constipation.

I hope this plus Sara Marie’s suggestions will be of help to you.  This is just a starting point, so one day at a time and let’s all try to get you fixed up.

I must add my 2 cents.  I agree mostly with everyone.  We all had to come to our own routine with meds, vitamins, exercise.  I totally relate with you about Living somedays.  I have journals from back when I had my 3 surgeries in 2013.  Somedays I didn't think I could go on.  I have had those moments a lot.  This is a tough disease no doubt.  I still only take it day by day and so thankful when it's a good day.  After tweaking and tweaking my diet and chg. of meds as needed I get through.  This is life long process and changes for the good and bad, our hope is we start to have more good days.  U are just starting on the journey, it will get better.

  Don't give up and I know u feel like it sometimes.  Tomorrow is another day and could be a good one so don't waste it.  Find your solace.  This format is a life saver and I am very thankful for all the tips I have learned when the ds' gave up.  Important things that I think are key to success a bidet, A&D ointment, probiotics, Psyllium husk and Loperamide.  Also, I take valium as needed and have been on Celexa.   The vitamins for digestive like, olive leaf, Organic digest and Prilosec.  These are my everyday go twos.  The diet really is 1st because if u had UC, SIOB, Gerd, gluten sensitive and lactose intolerant  you have to change it or suffer.  It does sound overwhelming but I am hear as living proof it gets better.  I choose not to suffer more than I have too.  God Bless and know we are here for you.     

I've made a list of every suggestion and what you've all told me you use to help. I plan to try and gather these things and hope to make a difference. I finally got in touch with the doctors, though I only managed this because my therapist went to the hospital and made some noise for me. Was up all night again and not feeling good. Simply cannot handle food. But I'm booked in for some scans on Thursday and bloodwork today. I hope that they find a way to help what's happening. I will let you know if anything comes of it. Thank you all again for your kindness and advice.

I'm not sure how I feel about moving forward yet. I bounce back and forth about trying and simply giving up. To feel like this is the beginning of my road is frankly deeply depressing, as it's been years of misery to get to the start line. I think if I could string a few good days together it would help.

I will try my best to make ground with what you've all given me. But it's always on my mind to stop my life and have it be over. I just can't seem to get away from that thought. I am sorry to appear such a whiney complainer, and I certainly don't think I'm the most troubled person on the room. I used to be a happy go lucky upbeat person full of happiness. I'm angry at myself for things I think and say. I hate feeling this way.

I really am grateful for your kindness

Updates would be great!  Hopefully you can find a way to re-find that happy-go-lucky self that still is inside you somewhere.  Anger and depression are all a part of the grieving process, and all of us had a part of us removed.  Can't we grieve our dead colons?  I have always had a part of me that is furious with myself for being sick, weak, malfunctioning, etc.  One thing that I forget is that this is not my fault.  Sometimes it feels better to blame ourselves because if it's our fault at least that implies we have some control.  We don't and it's maddening.  But we can help ourselves heal.  Maybe try to just to treat yourself with extreme gentleness and care, like you would treat a sick friend.  I'm sure you've heard this all before...I'm saying it now because revisiting these ideas helps me when I'm feeling like total shit. 

Lee, i have been trying to find you a few names of GI's in Calgary that are familiar with jpouches that may be able to help. These are the names I have been told .

GI... Dr Shane Devlin and Dr Remo Panaccione in FootHills? not sure where that is by you..



Surgeons... Dr Daryl Jenken and Dr Neel Datta 



you could try them and see if they can help you

It's hard at the 2 month stage but I dont remember bleeding.I was using a travel bidet,calmoseptine and a hairdryer after each bm,changing my undies 3 times aday and shitting my pants at night.Its hard  what you are going through.Im nearly 2 years out from takedown and I work and go to the gym .I use the toilet normally now .I eat pretty bland food  ,take a probiotic,vit c,loperamide.It does get better but it's like being a baby again at the start.hope this helps,my uncle had the jpouch surgery before the internet so he had no advice about the timeframes of recovery and so asked for the jpouch to be removed after a short time as he couldn't stand the pain.I think if he had a forum like this he would  have persisted longer.

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Dear Lee-Squire, I've held off writing but now feel compelled.  You may have this burning for a month or so more so you must find something to help relieve the pain.  IT WILL GET BETTER, I swear/promise.  I am on my pouch for 16 years now.

1.  You MUST get a bidet or hand held shower to use immediately after going.  It will make the greatest difference in your pain and your outlook.  Until the small intestines start working like a colon, the stomach bile burns like the dickens !!  I was often in the shower every time I went during the night, 1am, 2am, 3am etc.

2.  Get a sitz bath at a pharmacy at about $10.  I never used the water attachment but sat in it with very warm water after going and every couple hours for pain.  It helps with cleaning the area and for hemorrhoids, a fissure, or just raw skin.   Until my recent (3 months) bidet purchase, I had a squirt bottle at the toilet and also wet the toilet paper to wipe. Amazon carries a great and reasonable bidet you can install.

3. BRAT diet helps, bananas, rice, apples/applesauce, and tea.  Peppermint tea to calm the stomach acid and chamomile tea to help you sleep (double work).  I had to reduce sugar but it made the burn worse and this includes soda/pop.  Bagels, crackers, even pretzels make a big difference. 

4.  Put paper & pencil near toliet for you to keep track of BMs and what you ate.  I dated the entry, line 1 was the time of BMs, line 2 breakfast food, line3 lunch, line 4 dinner, 5 snacks.  After a couple of weeks patterns may be obvious.  I became lactose intolerant and I used to have milk with every meal.  I cannot tolerate paprika any more.  I can't eat my loved Doritos.  You will find your weaknesses and they will make you stronger.

5. Probiotics help.  When I start to have a flare up, I take 2 instead of 1 per day.

6.  Calmoseptine cream was a life saver for me.  I get the probiotic and cream at Costco (cheapest).  The probiotic is on the shelves, the cream at the pharmacy window.

7. DONT GIVE UP.  We have all been there, no lie.  IT WILL GET BETTER and you will love life again.  But remember,  no matter how great your doctor, support of whatever.... You must and will learn how your body reacts to foods, stress,etc.  Just carefully pay attention and the pain will become less the sooner you learn.

My very best wishes, and prayers for you and your family.  Sorry this was so long.

Dee

I've ordered a bidet attachment for my toilet. You've all made it clear that's helpful and I will listen. I've got calmoseptine cream. I spoke with my doctor to get a prescription probiotic which will help me afford it. As for my diet, I'm on a low fodmap currently. But all I can handle is rice or rice cakes (plain) some chicken and we made some flax muffins (gf). I have just got some ensure shakes as I know they gave them to me at hospital. I dare not eat more than 2 times a day at the moment as it's extremely painful if I do, and I will bleed more.

I hear you all and I'm listening and I'm thankful for your words.

I've been blacking out and taking some falls lately, I'm assuming mostly to the lack of nutrition. I know my celiac is active currently (stress) and I can't handle too much food. There are malabsorption issues I just don't know how to get around.

I've got an appointment with my family doc to see about some valium ? I've not tried it before but I'm hoping to find some ease of mind and that I hope will have some effects on my stress.

I find it, as I'm sure everyone would, incredibly hard to not be able to provide for my family.

Thank you everyone for everything you have given me so far.

So I have to say, I do like my gi. She seems very competent and caring. I was unfortunate in that she has taken some time away from work in past couple of years, whilst I spiraled. I was then given to a newbie, to our equal misfortune. Just come out of seeing her and she is confident I have a strong case of cuffitis. It's a familiar feeling so I tend to agree with her. I'm happy to know what it is at least, and I've been given things that will hopefully calm it down now. Once I get hold of it I can start trying food again. So here's hoping

Hey Lee,

glad to hear you have some answers.

I too suffer from cuffititis and have been on canasa suppositories for about 8 months now.

after about 10 days of treatment my urgency, frequency and blood in stool started to resolve. I continue to take a daily maintenance dose.

keep us posted. We are all hoping for a resolution of your troubles and improved quality of life.

I am happy to have a target with a method of approach. I came home and immediately introduced a suppository. Then the afternoon came and I had the bloodiest most painful afternoon in the past miserable 2 months. Absolutely shattered from it now. I guess it was not a fan of harbouring a suppository back there just yet. Excuse the language, but fuck me ! Utterly wiped out now, shaking like a leaf.  Had a little cry, but I'm still feeling positive. It won't work instantly I know that, so I will persist. I have hope that this can be controlled and I am desperate to get to that place. I'm going to lay still for a while now until this subsides.

It's still been a good day

@De posted:

Dear Lee-Squire, I've held off writing but now feel compelled.  You may have this burning for a month or so more so you must find something to help relieve the pain.  IT WILL GET BETTER, I swear/promise.  I am on my pouch for 16 years now.

1.  You MUST get a bidet or hand held shower to use immediately after going.  It will make the greatest difference in your pain and your outlook.  Until the small intestines start working like a colon, the stomach bile burns like the dickens !!  I was often in the shower every time I went during the night, 1am, 2am, 3am etc.

2.  Get a sitz bath at a pharmacy at about $10.  I never used the water attachment but sat in it with very warm water after going and every couple hours for pain.  It helps with cleaning the area and for hemorrhoids, a fissure, or just raw skin.   Until my recent (3 months) bidet purchase, I had a squirt bottle at the toilet and also wet the toilet paper to wipe. Amazon carries a great and reasonable bidet you can install.

3. BRAT diet helps, bananas, rice, apples/applesauce, and tea.  Peppermint tea to calm the stomach acid and chamomile tea to help you sleep (double work).  I had to reduce sugar but it made the burn worse and this includes soda/pop.  Bagels, crackers, even pretzels make a big difference.

4.  Put paper & pencil near toliet for you to keep track of BMs and what you ate.  I dated the entry, line 1 was the time of BMs, line 2 breakfast food, line3 lunch, line 4 dinner, 5 snacks.  After a couple of weeks patterns may be obvious.  I became lactose intolerant and I used to have milk with every meal.  I cannot tolerate paprika any more.  I can't eat my loved Doritos.  You will find your weaknesses and they will make you stronger.

5. Probiotics help.  When I start to have a flare up, I take 2 instead of 1 per day.

6.  Calmoseptine cream was a life saver for me.  I get the probiotic and cream at Costco (cheapest).  The probiotic is on the shelves, the cream at the pharmacy window.

7. DONT GIVE UP.  We have all been there, no lie.  IT WILL GET BETTER and you will love life again.  But remember,  no matter how great your doctor, support of whatever.... You must and will learn how your body reacts to foods, stress,etc.  Just carefully pay attention and the pain will become less the sooner you learn.

My very best wishes, and prayers for you and your family.  Sorry this was so long.

Dee

stay away from Probiotics. they only are intended to work in the large intestine, not the small intestine which is our pouch. Probiotics can lead to SIBO, and you dont want that. This information was told to me by Dr Shen. Green Tea extract is what he suggests

@Pouchomarx posted:

stay away from Probiotics. they only are intended to work in the large intestine, not the small intestine which is our pouch. Probiotics can lead to SIBO, and you dont want that. This information was told to me by Dr Shen. Green Tea extract is what he suggests

What about green tea instead of the extract?  And if it's the extract, why?  I drink matcha every morning.  Does that count?

Sorry Sara Marie you and your doctor are wrong.  Probiotics, yes work in the large intestines but your pouch is now your large intestine.  I am living proof of the difference I stopped taking probiotics for a couple years and was getting pouchitis frequently.  My doctor (the third one to say so) told me to start taking them again and it made all the difference.  Your gut whether a large intestine or pouch needs bacteria to process the food through and break down the undigested starches, fibers, and sugars to usable energy for the body.

Unfortunately every doctor was not at the head of their class.  So you may want to check further.

The pouch is a rather small reservoir for holding stool, and it can never in any way compensate for a colon. It is your small intestine that assimilates to extracting more water from your stool over the years.

Probiotics help some people while others have strong resentments against them. It may depend on the kind of probiotics you are taking and the condition of your intestines. In the end there is only a small percentage of the bacteria living in the small intestine compared to the colon, and due to a different pH value and other circumstances it will probably be a different milieu.

I take probiotics myself every day, at a normal dosage only recommended for common supplements. If I wouldn't feel it is any good for me I would leave them. Those probiotics, even if it's more than 20 different bacteria stems, could never replace the diversity and function of a large intestine's microbioma. Where there are bacteria with antiinflammatory and pro-mucosal effects, not only a collection of mostly lacto- and bifido-bacilli, aerobic bacteria that are regarded to be useful and harmless.

It is difficult to say what probiotics do for us j-pouchers. Perhaps one effect is to block harmful bacteria's overgrowth at the end of the small intestine and in the pouch, where there is little movement of the stool and good conditions for bacterial reproduction.

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Sorry Sara Marie you and your doctor are wrong.  Probiotics, yes work in the large intestines but your pouch is now your large intestine.  I am living proof of the difference I stopped taking probiotics for a couple years and was getting pouchitis frequently.  My doctor (the third one to say so) told me to start taking them again and it made all the difference.  Your gut whether a large intestine or pouch needs bacteria to process the food through and break down the undigested starches, fibers, and sugars to usable energy for the body.

Unfortunately every doctor was not at the head of their class.  So you may want to check further.

Oops, that wasn't me that posted about the probiotics.  I was asking about Green Tea Extract!  Your statement is challenging the views of Dr. Shen as communicated by @Pouchomarx.  Just wanted to tag the correct person so they might continue the debate if they wanted to.

Poucho is correct that Dr. Shen holds the view that probiotics is useless to treat pouchitis. I was treated by Dr. Oikonnomou, a Shen protege who studied under Shen when both were at Cleveland Clinic. Dr. O was at Yale 2009 to 2015 and treated me during that period and actually frequently discussed my case with Shen. He told me that probiotics were "an expensive placebo" and fecal implants were nothing but a "wildly expensive probiotic." The views they hold are probably true for most Pouch patients, but we have had reports from some posters like Scott F and Dee that probiotics worked for them. My own experience with VSL#3 when I cold turkeyed off antibiotics onto VSL#3 was that it was an unmitigated disaster, and resulted in brutal and savage pouchitis causing me to sink to depths of struggle that were very harsh low points in my 30 year battle against pouchitis.

My suggestion to the OP would be to try it- but don't place high expectations on it working alone and not in tandem with other treatments. In your current situation you do not want to waste too much time with treatments that do not work.

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@CTBarrister posted:

Poucho is correct that Dr. Shen holds the view that probiotics is useless to treat pouchitis. I was treated by Dr. Oikonnomou, a Shen protege who studied under Shen when both were at Cleveland Clinic. Dr. O was at Yale 2009 to 2015 and treated me during that period and actually frequently discussed my case with Shen. He told me that probiotics were "an expensive placebo" and fecal implants were nothing but a "wildly expensive probiotic." The views they hold are probably true for most Pouch patients, but we have had reports from some posters like Scott F and Dee that probiotics worked for them. My own experience with VSL#3 when I cold turkeyed off antibiotics onto VSL#3 was that it was an unmitigated disaster, and resulted in brutal and savage pouchitis causing me to sink to depths of struggle that were very harsh low points in my 30 year battle against pouchitis.

My suggestion to the OP would be to try it- but don't place high expectations on it working alone and not in tandem with other treatments. In your current situation you do not want to waste too much time with treatments that do not work.

Question I asked the other person who has seen Dr. Shen or a protege: what's the deal with green tea extract?  Is there something special about it, or would regular use of green tea suffice for these things?  I get irritations and inflammation, but never full-blown pouchitis (knock wood) yet, and I have a matcha habit.  Could be a coincidence, but I'm curious.

Green tea extract was never mentioned to me by Dr. Oikonomou, the Shen protege. He and Shen wanted me on biologics a few years before I was actually on them. Dr. O had been mentioning them to me, specifically Remicade, probably starting in 2011 and 2012. I never went on Remicade while he was still treating me. I was resistant to it, initially. Dr. O moved to Mount Sinai in NYC in 2015 (and he is now in Chicago which is where he originally came from), and my care was then taken over by Dr. Brand, who immediately recommended I go on Remicade to supplement the antibiotics. I was all set to do that when, in the first part of 2015, I was diagnosed with Stage 3 thyroid cancer. Dr. Brand then told me NO REMICADE until the cancer treatment completed. Because I would have surgery and radiation via radioactive iodine, I was not safe to have Remicade until 6 months later. Remicade proved to be a game changer as far as the inflammation in the Pouch, but not so much for my main problem area which is the J Pouch inlet. Which is strictured and was dilated 3 times in late 2021 and early 2022.

I would also like to hear more from Poucho on why Shen is souping up Green Tea extract in lieu of probiotics.

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I have had my j-pouch since 1985. The thing that works to keep my butt from excruciating burning is Metamucil. I order the smooth sugar free kind on Walgreens website. It has no artificial sweetener or sugar. Its the one with the green band on the bottle. I take 2 heaping teaspoons in 1/2 glass of ice cold bottled water. I get a lot of Sams Club bottled water. Tap water makes me go more often. I add a half spoonful of the orange flavor Metamucil which makes it taste good. Stir it up and drink quickly because it thickens.  I take this before eating and sometimes after, if I eat pizza. I also have a handheld bidet hose attached to my toilet I ordered from Amazon. These 2 things have saved me from a life of impossible pain and helped me get my life back. I hope it helps you!

Hey @Lee-squire, hope your quality of life is improving from the amount of advice and support I’ve seen being posted.

I just wanted to say I’m an 18 year old lad, just got my J-Pouch last Friday and you and everyone in this forum have been a lot of help in finding a place of self-belonging and loads of advice as I’ve been going through the start of my journey.

As someone who had Ulcerative Colitis diagnosed to me at 15, and multiple medications taking a toll on me mentally and physically. Countless times I’ve felt I’ve been alone, helpless and given the toughest life out there. I can empathise for your mentality around your health, I myself have had what I like to call the ‘ring of fire’ with my ass just burning and being red raw from this first week of my J-Pouch, thinking “I’d rather have UC than this.” But I’ve implemented a few strategies that I think might help you with the trips to the toilet and your pain that I’ve found quite useful so far and it’s reduce my pain.

-Toilet Paper is the worse thing to wipe with, so rough, dry, adds fuel to the fire. I recommend some Kleenex Flushable Wipes, Fragrance Free. Don’t necessarily wipe either, lightly tap around ur anus, cleans up any leftovers, it’s flushable, and doesn’t harm the skin.

-For the alkaline acids that come out every bowel movement (correct me if I’m wrong) I put barrier cream around my anus with my finger after each trip to the toilet or even when I want to apply some protection. Keeps the skin from getting damaged and might help you recover a bit.  It’s from a company called Cavilon, I’m from Australia so I’m unsure if you would have it accessible to you at the moment but I’m sure the knowledgeable J-Pouch experts could possibly suggest an alternative in the U.S or Canada?

I hope my new experience like you can hopefully get better and we can reap the rewards that other people on this forum all speak about. My family is also English, we are from Manchester, the blue side , and a saying me and my mum who’s helped me through as a nurse with my bowel disease and surgery’s is. Shit happens, and for us that’s quite literally. I’ve always been a very outgoing and happy kid myself and I have my downs, but I’ve also had my ups. Sadly I’ve missed out on opportunities in life, academically and athletically due to my health. For you Americans I am a 6’7 18 year old kid who pre-colitis and even during my colitis had offers for basketball over in the U.S, but with Covid and an auto-immune disease, there was no way I was going to go over. For me that was my dream, I will still achieve success in this regard, it’s why I’m here with a J-Pouch now, I put on 12.3 kgs in roughly 5 and 1/2 weeks whilst I had my Stoma bag awaiting my reversal surgery. Who knows if I’ll chase that dream still, and I know it’s quite irrelevant to giving you help, but I hope some context and some familiar feelings can help you find some more resilience and strength to keep pushing through. For the both of us.

One last thing about your weight and diet, to help put on weight I’ve drank resource ultra ‘high protein’ from Nestle, and Fresubin calorie drinks. Both having 300 and 400 calories respectively, I would take 1 Resource Ultra, and 2 Fresubin daily to help rebuild as it seems your diet is not good quite like how mine was. It can be a bit of a pricey purchase over in Australia, but I’ve had some gifted to me by the hospital and I’ve also been able to purchase some. I would also hope maybe my American or Canadian experts will be able to offer some alternatives or help on those regards for it’s it good or not for your J-Pouch and health. Everywhere and everyone is different and I’ve not seen any problems myself.

Thank you all, and urself @Lee-squire for being very open and knowledgeable on your experience, it’s helped myself a lot and given me a lot of promise for the future.

I myself would like to ask a question to anyone who wouldn’t mind helping out, obviously as a teenager my social life and consciousness of my bowel movements is of very big concern. I was wondering how long it took for you to see any change in the amount of trips to the toilet you would take?

Just one comment on those "flushable" wipes. In the USA they are described as being flushable. They will go down just fine but then they can create horrid blockages on the way through home sewer systems. They are also despised by workers in sewage treatment plants. Baby wipes included. Much safer to place them in a plastic bag and toss in the garbage. -- Rose --

@Finlay Reid Oh no, I just started watching them and happened upon that one.  Let me see if it's in my history....yes, here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...W8vIazqk&t=1654s

He is quite talkative and I'm glad this works for him. This works for me some of the time.  Sometimes I have to start with some sort of inversion such as head/hand/forearm stand. A forward bend or downward facing dog can also work.  I have found that when the gas releases while I'm lying down, it comes out easiest when I'm lying on my right side, just like when I had a colon, and just like our little hippie brother models.  My most reliable method for release is the manual pouch massage while sitting on the toilet: unless my pouch is super inflamed, this empties it of all liquids, gasses, and solids.

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@Lee-squire since you're having a difficult time finding a good g.i doctor that actually has time to take on a new patient, the best thing to do is go to the ER and tell them about your pain, and especially the bleeding.  That is the best way to get admitted and they will assign you a g.i doctor right away. Once you are discharged from the hospital you will get a follow up appointment with that specialist right away.

Hi Lee-squire,

I am late to the party here, but I’m wishing you all the best. As others have said, we’ve all been there. I’ve lost my career (for which I spent ten years in training after college) to this mess. I’ve had bad care, no care, you name it. But I seem to be on the other side now, down but not out.

Cuffitis is brutal. I had it for a few years—and no diagnosis until someone finally did yet another rectal exam that made me cry, and shoved a script for suppositories at me. I could NEVER get them in. So I dealt with the misery, ate all of five bland foods for a long time (and took a bunch of OTC vitamins to hope I wasn’t ruining my health further), and then finally found someone to fix the problem.

The last bit is the hardest one. I spent way too long on things that didn’t help, at the insistence of docs who didn’t listen, just pushed their way. I was willing to do whatever they thought would help, but when it wasn’t helping, they weren’t willing to shift tracks. That was a problem with my care, one I recognize a lot faster now—and no longer put up with.

That brings me to the most important point—we all will have a ton of suggestions/ideas for how to get you past the hump. But every single person with this seems to have different diets that work for them, different experiences, different things that help/hurt. And that goes for probiotics, vitamins, extracts, foods, you name it. NONE OF US IS 100% RIGHT FOR EVERYONE, when it comes to these issues! And no doctor will be either, not even the famous Dr. Shen.

The principles of what work are similar in some ways, though—so we can suggest things, but if you don’t find they help, please don’t give up. Something will—just have to find it. I got zero help from the three nutrition consults I had requested in different hospitals. (They googled what to do—it wasn’t useful.) There really is no single manual or guide to this. Intestinal tracts are very individual, just like their bacterial composition. Length and bacterial composition matter, but there’s so much more we don’t understand.

My probiotics helped a ton, Dr. Shen’s opinion notwithstanding. VSL#3 did not—and was ridiculously expensive. But an OTC one, the gummy Digestive Advantage, made a world of difference in my case. Go figure. I just know it helped me, took 3 or 4 a day when I used to have nonstop pouchitis and cuffitis, and was working full time, 12 hrs a day. The probiotics used to make my stools ‘firmer’, so less frequent/not likely to cause fire-butt, acid leakage, or any other of the miseries. It helped the pouchitis, but not the cuffitis—because my immune system targeted the rectal cuff with laser-focus, like it did my colon when I developed UC. Sometimes meds help that, sometimes they don’t. Mine didn’t.

It was miserable before probiotics, and I had many a day when I bawled my eyes out—and didn’t know about this site, either, so I didn’t have this kind of support at the time. So I kept playing with foods and supplements until I found something that helped me get through. In my case, dairy was a good thing. For others, it’s a no-go. I can’t handle GMO grains, or anything with too much ‘hard’ (insoluble) fiber, but soluble fiber is highly necessary for me to control my stools and not have a zillion runny ones, even taking Imodium/Lomotil and tincture.

My weapons of choice: non-GMO whole grain rolled oats, cooked in various ways, to provide soluble fiber and bulk; cauliflower for soluble fiber; fried rice from a greasy Chinese-American place (no idea why this works, but it stopped my pouchitis cold back in the day); and a protein powder that came with a lot of soluble fiber in it, plus strawberries and milk, for good calories.

Anyway, whatever you find that works for you, please know we’re here for you, and wishing you success. It’s kind of nuts how much better I felt finding this group, no matter how much I figured out for myself. My own experience was that none of the things people suggested, food-wise, worked for me—but I was still so glad they offered what worked for them. What actually helped me the most was knowing I wasn’t alone in my misery, and that it could get better.

I hope you find a good GI doc to look after you; that’s going to make the most difference, I think, in your ability to tackle all these things and make them better. No matter how much I managed on my own, the cuffitis didn’t go away until it was resected at my redo pouch surgery. Then I felt so much better, no more ring of fire—but I had a nerve injury to my internal sphincter, so now the problems are different. Not nearly as much pain, nothing that would stop me now, but a loss of control.

Before that scares you too much, I think that being sick like this for so long has helped me become more resilient in some ways. I don’t recommend it for others in general, would love to have my old life and career back, but since that’s not possible, I’m trying to find out what else I can do to provide for myself/keep from going crazy for the rest of my (hopefully long) life. Once you’re out of the acute misery stage with the problems you’ve been having, maybe you’ll feel better able to look at that side of things; I’m hoping you find something that makes you feel like it’s all bearable. I’m still hunting for my second act. Some days are better than others, and I’ll admit to being profoundly discouraged at times. But I keep going because… no choice, really. And though I’ve never been an optimist, I feel like I still find ways to enjoy life. What helps most, in my case, is not looking back so much anymore. I used to beat myself up constantly for ignoring my instincts and not going out of town for better care, when I first knew I’d need the colectomy. But it doesn’t help now to dwell on my mistakes like that, and I’m learning to do it less.

Best of luck!

Hi there, Athena!  I looked up the Digestive Advantage and found there were several kinds.  One is particularly marked for digestion.  Which did/do you take?  And what does cuffitis feel like?  I often wonder whether my butt discomfort is hemorrhoids, cuffitis, or something else?  It seems I get a variety of butt aches which come and go randomly.  I have 1,000,000 types of butt ointments, creams, pastes, etc., and I just keep trying one after another until something helps.  It's different on any given day.  The worst is when nothing helps!  The best is when the butthole takes a break from being irritated.  What a persnickety butthole!

You make me laugh, Sara Marie!

I use the Digestive Advantage ‘daily probiotic’ for ‘digestive and immune support’ gummy probiotic they sell at Costco. I found it helped to take 3-4 per day, all at once was fine, to stay ‘balanced’. It helped pouchitis, but not cuffitis. Worked a lot better when I had pouchitis with the J-pouch; less good with an S-pouch because of the different mechanics.

Cuffitis is likely to be the problem when it hurts badly to both feel the urge to defecate, and to actually go. With pouchitis, it feels crampy and miserable in your abdomen/pelvis whether you’re on the toilet or not; cuffitis for me was a feeling of internal discomfort right around the anal area that became the ‘ring of fire’ when trying to evacuate. It hurt to sit, bled when I pooped, and was rather like my UC flares felt (minus watery diarrhea), just localized to my derriere. I do wonder if it’s worse because it doesn’t cause watery stools, which makes them easier to pass, frankly…

That’s the other thing. Cuffitis can be mistaken for a stricture, because the rectal cuff is so irritated and swollen that it blocks the normally easy passage of stool from the pouch. The caliber of the stools (if they’re formed) is decreased, and it hurts much worse the harder/firmer the stools are, because it’s so hard to pass them without miserable burning. I couldn’t get suppositories to go up there when I had cuffitis—and that’s what they tell you to use to treat it. (Ugh.) You might need help to get them in, if you have to use those. It would be absolute misery to introduce anything, a finger, an enema nozzle, suppository…

I’ve also had anal fissures from going so much and wiping and the usual suspects. Those hurt like Hades when actually defecating, but otherwise are less noticeable to me. I found that barrier cream helped a ton with those and with diaper rash—the one we haven’t talked about here that much.

All that diarrhea, and the gut imbalance of bacteria, favors excess Candida yeast in the gut and stool. Just like babies, when I have an accident and I can’t get it off my skin fast enough, the acid, bile, and yeast combine to create bright red fiery irritation between the cheeks. There is blistering as well, when that happens. Calmoseptine is my best pal when that happens, just like with the fissures…

Oh, and then there’s the vaginal candidiasis that happens when the runs are bad… not butt pain specifically, but it’s plenty to deal with anyway!

So, yeah, been there with the butt-pains of various sorts! The one that makes you want to jump off the table during the rectal exam is usually cuffitis, at least for me, and that needs help from the professionals. Anal fissures are sharp external pain usually in the most posterior part of the anal ring, feels like a bit of tearing when you evacuate, and can be made better with the Calmo and softer stools/using water or wipes instead of tissue/sitz baths. I think if it’s worse than that, it‘s worth a look for cuffitis!

Hey, Lee. You’ve got a lot of friends pulling for you on our site, and they’ve been offering great advice! I  know the following tip won’t impact cuffitis or your other issues, but it might help alleviate a little of your pain. So, in addition to applying ointments, using a bidet, watching your diet, etc., I suggest tucking a little cotton ball into the anus. The cotton ball absorbs moisture (even sweat in that area can feel like a blowtorch.)  I’ve been doing this since 1981 and it helps me. I know this tip is just a drop in the bucket, but drop by drop, you’re going to get better.

I haven’t been on these forums in quite some time untill today. Just wanted to say that these forums are probably what saved me, and I truly thank all of you.

I too could not deal with the aftermath of my surgery, especially the first two months after the third surgery. I honestly remember just crying and crying sitting on the toilet in so much pain it felt like shards of glass combined with acid, and for the first time in my life, I truly did not want to wake up the next day - it was pretty bad.

But with the help from this J-pouch community I got through it. I just wanted to say don’t give up; the preceding posts have a plethora of great information. I can’t really add to it so I’ll simply say there were 4 basic things that saved me - 1) a bidet. 2) Metamucil wafers. 3) Calmoseptine, but more importantly eventually switching over to Ilex, which was the real savior (unfortunately Ilex is now hard to find these days). And 4) believe it or not, Lemon water.

Veggiescott, I’m so thankful that you’re are doing so well! I think the folks that post on this site are some of the kindest and most empathetic people on the planet. Everyone is willing to take the time to offer advice, tips, or just provide some “online ears” to listen. Merry Christmas! Rudy, the Cotton Ball lady! 🤗

Hope you are feeling better now? I’ve had my Jpouch for 28 years. It was rough at first , highs & lows but on an even keel now. Take 8-12 Pepto Bismol tablets per day. Use Preparation H , there’s one with Lidocaine as a barrier & pain relief. Eat white foods, rice, pasta, potatoes, bread, chicken, turkey, tuna, eggs sand an occasional steak & burgers. Some cheeses with Lactate.
Anti anxiety meds help. I have arthritis in my hands so I take *r*ma*ol. It has an effect on your mood also which helps.
Take lots of vitamins including iron to supplement my poor diet.
Life is good for the most part. I’d hate to miss anything, FOMO, so I carry on through the tough times. Being outside away from the noise helps too.
This is a good time to work from home with the internet.
There are some benefits you may be able to receive from the gov.

Happy Holidays!

You need to see a dr immediately. You should NOt be bleeding. You have pouchitis most probably. Your probably anemic and who knows what else. I’m not a Dr just look at my timeline, I’ve been then the mill with this disease.
A bio drug saved my life. You need to find the right dr. Please don’t give up. There are a lot of option now.

I can totally empathise. I've had brilliant health with a j-pouch since 23, and 43 now, so 20 years. Had some troubles on and off, bit of cuffitis here and there, which mainly seemed to be triggered by eating junk processed foods, but would settle naturally in a few days.


Quite recently had some sort of total systemic, intestinal immune breakdown, where everything from top to bottom felt inflamed, sore, bloated, crampy. After treating myself with the usual antibiotics, and not eating for 10 days to give everything a rest, the inflammation seemed to move south, and I was left with cuffitis so bad nothing would pass, water, air, couldn't even get my finger inside the rectal cuff.

Then add in that I seemed to have that passing razor blades, shards of glass feeling from either one hell of a massive ulcer, or a fissure, no joke I was in so much pain and misery I was questioning if I even wanted to carry on with life at all. I'm glad I didn't live in the US and have access to a gun, as it was getting to the point I was 50/50 if I wanted to even live this pain and misery any longer. I was bed bound, and house bound for 9 weeks.

Im not out the woods just yet, but I was desperate enough to think about booking £100 a night hotel so I could sit/lie in unlimited continuous hot water, and simply go to the toilet in the bath water, empty and re-fill, and rinse and repeat for a whole, lovely warm, relaxing night to try and get the cuffitis/fissure to heal. Right now I am on the Prednisone foam, and it has been miraculous.

It's been a real wake up call for me taking things for granted, and stuffing my face with garbage more recently. I genuinely thought I was going to die.

Also after having bleeding anal skin from the 20+ trips to the toilet simply to pass nothing bigger than a teaspoon if that of water/foam, I moved over to flushable, degradable wet wipes, and will never, ever use anything else from now on, they are MIRACULOUS. I only have to look at toilet paper now, even the expensive quilted stuff to cringe and imagine the sand paper feeling on raw, bloodied, itchy skin.

OP we totally understand, I'm glad you have found this community and have somewhere to vent and get support from people who care and have the experience to listen and help.

PS I really want to change my username, but cannot see a way to do it, can anyone advise?

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Also I would be VERY careful with VSL#3, I know it works for some people, and that's fine, we are all different, but in the UK its been taken off prescription as the general consensus among the medical council here was that its efficacy was questionable. Out of desperation recently I got a box myself, £50 I think it was, thinking what harm could it do... and it upset me SO badly, I actually thought my small intestine was going to perforate. The pain, the upset, the cramping, I have NEVER had cramping as sharp as that before, not in my small bowel, it was terrifying, and I actually USED to take it before many years ago, and still had some old stuff in the fridge from 2016!

I doubt I will go near it again, this was only 1 sachet a day, and it wrecked me.

When I was first given suppositories, I had to smooth the end edges because they hurt going in. It was hard not to scream when inserting. Eventually, things improved. It sounds like your pouch issues have lasted a while, so it will take a while to calm them down. My favorite nurse told me that I needed to put my patience hat on and wait it out. That helped me a lot.

It sounds like you are finally getting some appropriate health care. Keep advocating for yourself and know that we all care.

I solved the burning issue with a cotton ball!  Following a BM, wipe with a soothing cream and just tuck a cotton ball in your bum. The cotton ball absorbs moisture (even sweat in that area can feel like a blowtorch.) I’ve been doing this since 1981 and have never had any skin problems. Hope it works for y’all.

@Rudy posted:

I solved the burning issue with a cotton ball!  Following a BM, wipe with a soothing cream and just tuck a cotton ball in your bum. The cotton ball absorbs moisture (even sweat in that area can feel like a blowtorch.) I’ve been doing this since 1981 and have never had any skin problems. Hope it works for y’all.

Any recommendations on the soothing cream? 

Hopefully, once you get your breakdown healed, any type of barrier cream should work. The ointment has two purposes—-it cools a “hot bum,” AND it helps to ensure that you’re getting every last remaining bit of “blowtorch fluid” off your skin. Then, the cotton ball catches the leakage before it irritates your skin. Let me know if this helps you at all. I’m sending prayers and best wishes!
The Cotton Ball Lady 🤗

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