Stress/anxiety reducing activities/tips :)

I have no quarrel with your tips, but I’m pretty sure that stress and anxiety don’t cause pouchitis. Do you have any evidence of a connection?

@Scott F posted:

I have no quarrel with your tips, but I’m pretty sure that stress and anxiety don’t cause pouchitis. Do you have any evidence of a connection?

You love evidence huh? Lol. Here is one, If you would like more, let me know

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7213601/

Found another good one:

https://www.nationwidechildren...s-the-gut-microbiome

Great tips Lauren,and don't rush just take your time.The lion, king of the jungle sleeps for 18 hours of the day.and then either rests and hunts.give your body the rest it needs ,listen to your body.

@Former Member posted:

Great tips Lauren,and don't rush just take your time.The lion, king of the jungle sleeps for 18 hours of the day.and then either rests and hunts.give your body the rest it needs ,listen to your body.

Thank-you Chook

And great example Chook!!!! I love that example!

@Former Member posted:

Great tips Lauren,and don't rush just take your time.The lion, king of the jungle sleeps for 18 hours of the day.and then either rests and hunts.give your body the rest it needs ,listen to your body.

I see you joined here on Christmas Day, SOOO COOOL!

I also believe your body is made up of millions of organisms,bacteria and so on.and you have to keep them happy by making your body somewhere they want to enjoy living but if you stress them out due to long hours of work or excessive exercise or other stresses the creatures making up your body say I don't enjoy living here and they either die or cause problems.

You should make your body and lifestyle somewhere you and your organisms enjoy living together.

The J-pouch microbiome is a very different thing than the colonic microbiome. Neither article mentions pouchitis. I’m not arguing that stress and anxiety are healthy or harmless conditions, but I still think there’s no evidence of a connection between them and pouchitis.

There is zero medical evidence of any link between stress as a "cause", and pouchitis. Distinguish between "cause and effect", and something that exacerbates a pre-existing condition. It's rather dangerous to suggest to people that these so called "steps" can treat or prevent a systemically caused disorder as opposed to established medical remedies. Voodoo, witchcraft, speaking in tongues, seances, praying to Aliens and waving a magic wand while pretending to be the Wizard of Oz or Gandalf from Lord of the Rings are likely to be equally as effective as treatments for pouchitis, but I wouldn't recommend those steps either.

@Former Member posted:

I also believe your body is made up of millions of organisms,bacteria and so on.and you have to keep them happy by making your body somewhere they want to enjoy living but if you stress them out due to long hours of work or excessive exercise or other stresses the creatures making up your body say I don't enjoy living here and they either die or cause problems.

You should make your body and lifestyle somewhere you and your organisms enjoy living together.

Thank-you for your positive reply Chook

I 100% agree

This all seems to be simply a misinterpretation of what has been long acknowledged in the medical literature (and also here) that stress/anxiety/depression contributes to myriad GI disorders, including IBD. That said, it does not mean that it is a direct cause of it, and pouchitis in particular. Often, the disease itself is a source of stress and anxiety.

The very good medical journal articles posted do not state a cause and effect. The cause and effect noted was the change in the microbiome of the gut due to the altered eating habits during stress and anxiety, in addition to the effect of stress hormones. At the very least, it can worsen symptoms of IBD and IBS.

Of course, stress reduction is important, but for many of us, it is easier said than done. Some of us are just “wired” differently and the natural response to stress is anxiety and depression. Much of our stress is unavoidable, with everyday concerns and responsibilities, in addition to the challenges of the pandemic and social unrest. For me, the best recommendation is to understand my own limitations and keep a realistic outlook.

Jan

@Jan Dollar posted:

Often, the disease itself is a source of stress and anxiety.

Of this there can be no doubt.  However, it should be noted that this is not a chicken and egg controversy.  We know the disease causes stress, but the stress caused by the disease should never be mistaken as the cause of the disease.  Removing/improving stress is not a treatment for pouchitis and will not stop a pouchitis flare.

Autoimmune disorder activity (not cause of the disease) is in general linked to stress levels, as stress being one of the contributing factors to inflammation among many others. So, although there might not be a causal link between a particular case of pouchitis due to dysbiosis of the microbiome and concurrent stress levels, inappropriate immune response while there is no dysbiosis might be linked to concurrent stress levels. Maybe this is a threshold issue with respect to tolerance for dysbiosis. I am just speculating.

Pouchitis as a disease has so many dimensions and variables, as explained in the article Jan had shared as the first post in the pouchitis forum. I think we should congratulate Lauren for her mature rhetorical style in her sentence “Stress and Anxiety can cause gastro problems including pouchitis”  by use of the word “can” instead of “does”. Weaker statements always have higher probability of being True, and she is becoming wiser.

I am writing this because when I visited my GI first time after got my pouch, I asked him what is your advice for me to keep my pouch. He said “no stress”, and this was his first response. He has no doubts that I have UC, not CD, despite that he said this.

I know my personality and I simply cannot change my thought patterns by reading inspirational quotes. It is great for people who can. But I know for sure that exercise helps with stress and is great for well being in general, so I now push myself to move more and more. Controlling my physical activity is much easier than controlling my thought patterns.

@Former Member posted:

Autoimmune disorder activity (not cause of the disease) is in general linked to stress levels, as stress being one of the contributing factors to inflammation among many others. So, although there might not be a causal link between a particular case of pouchitis due to dysbiosis of the microbiome and concurrent stress levels, inappropriate immune response while there is no dysbiosis might be linked to concurrent stress levels. Maybe this is a threshold issue with respect to tolerance for dysbiosis. I am just speculating.

Pouchitis as a disease has so many dimensions and variables, as explained in the article Jan had shared as the first post in the pouchitis forum. I think we should congratulate Lauren for her mature rhetorical style in her sentence “Stress and Anxiety can cause gastro problems including pouchitis”  by use of the word “can” instead of “does”. Weaker statements always have higher probability of being True, and she is becoming wiser.

I am writing this because when I visited my GI first time after got my pouch, I asked him what is your advice for me to keep my pouch. He said “no stress”, and this was his first response. He has no doubts that I have UC, not CD, despite that he said this.

I know my personality and I simply cannot change my thought patterns by reading inspirational quotes. It is great for people who can. But I know for sure that exercise helps with stress and is great for well being in general, so I now push myself to move more and more. Controlling my physical activity is much easier than controlling my thought patterns.

WOW!!!  i never thought that you would be sticking up for me!!! LOL!!!! Thank-you Elif This means a lot to me! Thank-you so much

Check out my "Hair Tips" thread. I think you would like it. I mention that Hair Scrunchies are better than hair ties. Hair ties take out more hair. I researched that a few days ago after reading it on a website.

@Lauren Of Emerald City posted:

WOW!!!  i never thought that you would be sticking up for me!!! LOL!!!! Thank-you Elif This means a lot to me! Thank-you so much

Instead of:

“Stress and Anxiety CAN cause gastro problems including pouchitis”

a more accurate way of expressing this idea could be:

“Stress and Anxiety MIGHT cause gastro problems, POSSIBLY including pouchitis”

Still, you made good progress on epistemology. I think you should also research epistemology.  Congrats.

@Former Member posted:

Instead of:

“Stress and Anxiety CAN cause gastro problems including pouchitis”

a more accurate way of expressing this idea could be:

“Stress and Anxiety MIGHT cause gastro problems, POSSIBLY including pouchitis”

Still, you made good progress on epistemology. I think you should also research epistemology.  Congrats.

Thank-you Elif. I will say that next time. Still thank-you for sticking up for me though, I appreciate that a lot Thank-you for being sweet this time

And I will research that, that sounds cooL! Thanks