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can anyone help?.. I'm now 4 weeks out of reversal surgery, (jpouch connection) I'm still going to the toilet 40+ times per day, pain, butt burn, urgency, spasms, wind etc.. I got booked in on Friday last week to see if there was something wrong, they put me under and said the pouch is "beautiful".. There was no need to dialate, and no strictures in sight. I just had to wait until things improve, apparently it can take up to 6months for things to become the "norm".. I can't wait another 5months!!
I'm up between 1/2 times per hour ever hour so hardly any sleep every night since the 9th March.. However in the morning due to going all night long I can have a break until around 12pm (from 8.30am). In between dealing with this "crap" I'm trying to run my business, be a husband and look after my kids.. Of course leaving the house after work is out of the question!

Has anybody else took this long for things to settle down??

It seems wrong to wish I had my stoma back.. But I do ��

I was told to take immodium instants 2 x 4 times per day, I've also added buscopan to the mix ( after reading on here) doesn't seem to make a difference.

Maybe it is patience, and hopefully things improve soon, surely it's not going to change overnight.
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If dialing back your diet to the most basic stuff has no impact, along with maximum Imodium dosing. You need to look at something else. But, remember, it takes a few days of constant use of Imodium to build up the level that gives you a baseline effectiveness. The same would be true of antispasmodics.

 

The docs have ruled out pouchitis and structural defects, but have they ruled out bacterial overgrowth? This causes pouchitis symptoms without any evidence of inflammation. A course of antibiotics would be diagnostic, if they worked.

 

Yes, it does take time and patience, but you should not be going every 30 minutes. Some of us need opiates to get a real slowing effect. Have you tried lomotil? Some people get a better response with lomotil instead of Imodium. A "last ditch" option is Sandostatin, which is an injection, but it is expensive and does not always work either. You definitely need something that works until you get past this rough patch.

 

Most people see a significant improvement by 12 weeks post op.

 

It is easy for the docs to tell you to be patient. They are not the ones chained to a toilet, literally flushing their lives away.

 

Jan

Thanks for the reply Jan!..
I'm not sure we can get lomitol here in the uk, but surely something similar would be available.  Doubt it will be available OTC
I will question the bacterial overgrowth with my GP as I haven't been given s follow up appointment yet with my GI

I was taking immodium a few days before my appointment at the hospital as I was in desperation.. So I believe I've built up my strength in that department.

My urge to go seems very strong the second I put food to my mouth, which is frustrating as I've already lost 1.5stone in weight since leaving 4 hospital weeks ago.. Feeling frail
I read a lot of people having things under control after 2 weeks.. This was my aim, unfortunately not going to hsppen, however I would be happy if it were 5weeks now

ucbloke im having same issue had takedown 3/2 going 15/20 bm a  day no slept night up every hour taking lomital 4xday just increased to 2 4xday tonight so see what happens also take imodium 3xday and citracell 3x day and i have very painful fissure now i also wish i had bag a times i will get break every so often then starts back up very frustrating trying lomitol 2 tabs 4x day for few days if don't work i have prescription for tincture of opium need a break good luck jj

With this kind of extreme frequency I'd be surprised if bowel slowers helped much, though that's what everyone seems to try. If you're feeling urgency when a tiny amount of material enters the pouch, that's the problem that needs to get tackled, IMO, since there's no safe dose of bowel slowers that will keep your pouch totally empty.

 

Lots of different things can potentially make the pouch overly sensitive in this way. A brand new pouch is often described as needing "stretching." While it probably doesn't actually stretch much, it does seem like a new poucher ought to try holding it in for increasing amounts of time. There may be some accidents, especially at first, but you can't truly know your limits if you don't test them. This is probably a combination of things like getting used to new sensations, strengthening the sphincter, and perhaps training the twitchy pouch to calm the heck down. Sometimes an antispasmodic medication can help, and some people seem to be helped by bland, low residue diets. Some people find it easier to hold in thicker stool, and soluble fiber can help there (but fiber will also increase bulk).

 

Pouchis and cuffitis also seem to make the pouch hate to have anything in it. No amount of "stretching" will help those situations.

Hi Scott,
Thanks for the reply and feedback!!
I haven't anything to use/try so I'll give this a go.. Hold for as long as I can, although not to breaking point I have done this once or twice while waiting to get access to the loo /throne!

Thickening things up I'm not so sure about, I think It would scream constipation although surely not w bad thing short term..
My gran has just passed away and I'm in a position I can't even go to the hospital/wake and more than likely the funeral either.. Desperate sad times atm

Thanks again..

Not sure if this will help you guys or not but whenever I had any severe pouch fequency (I have a k pouch but it is still a pouch) I took Gravol, Dramamine (also know as Primeran in France) or any simple motion sickness medication that they give to people who tend to throw up during drives or flights.

I found that it slowed my bowels to a near crawl which when traveling was a blessing but may be what you need right now. It also has a side effect of drowsiness so it helps to give you a good night's sleep too.

It is OTC so you don't need a script for it and can be taken in varying dosages. I tend to start with a child's dose (they have the kind that dissolves under the tounge) and work my way up.

Might be worth the try for you

Sharon

Got a start on the soluable fiber, noticed a change in the consistency however seemed to increase urgency? And also didn't make any difference to the frequent trips, however may still be early days, I've only had 3 x servings.
The motion sickness tablets I took two, noticed no difference.. Once I took them I started to research (ass about face I know) and couldn't find anyone else who had been on them to slow down or partially stop the frequent trips to the loo?? Didn't seem to work anyway.

Couldn't get Lomotil or equivalent seems I need a script, so I will have to wait on my doctor for that one - last hope!!
Everything is unfortunately still the same (going from the 9th March, after my last op). I keep getting told to be patient �� surely there is something that can help!!
I did find (out of several) my best cream for but burning.. Bebantham
Just thought I'd update anybody who is following this post.

Not looking forward to another night of little sleep and another exhausting day at work��

He had his entire large intestine removed June 2014, then he had his takedown in September 2014.  We had a few serious complications that took a while to figure out, but in March of this year the decision was made to take him off the j-pouch and give him back his ostomy.  The complications he has are rare and difficult so our surgeon is sending us to The Cleveland Clinic.  We may be going out in June.  Not sure yet, the surgeons need to talk.  It's been a really long haul.

 

 

Sounds like the poor fella needs a break from it all.. Rough road!! Surely can only get better
I have no doubt things will improve when he gets back to a stoma.. I have 18months of zero issues, and maybe he can retry the pouch in the future
Again, wishing him a recovery of whatever route he ends up with..
Although you need to stay strong you need a break from it all too!! (Easier said than done I know)

He does have his stoma back.  In that respect he is feeling better but unfortunately he is addicted on the pain medications and trying to get off them.  What a difficult process that is!  I wish I could get him out of bed, the doctor said that would help, for him to stop laying around and not getting out.  But he feels so crumby from all the meds.  Hopefully he will be off of them in about two weeks time.  I'm getting my break!  I'm leaving for Florida tomorrow for a few weeks.  Then I'm meeting the family in Disney World.  So it will be fun. First family vacay in over five years.  So I'm really looking forward to it.  

You sound like you have had more than your fair share of problems too.  I hope you feel better soon.  

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