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Hi there,

Looking for anyone on a biologic specifically used to treat IBD type symptoms of the pouch (not really pouchitis).

My GI wants to try me on Humira at this time.

He's given me the spiel that "older pouch" patients (and I mean pouch age, not patient age - pouches 20-30 years old), are coming to him with similar issues that I'm having, such as developing "new" type of IBD symptoms after having good runs with their pouches through the years. I know gene expression changes are happening to the pouches over time, that might be what is the culprit of all of this stuff. He said that "old" pouches read more colonic when sent to pathology... it's like, IMO, the body is sensing this new "colon" and deciding to attack it in some way, shape or form (though I'm no researcher/GI doc; it just sounds plausible.)

Story is, 2012, I started to feel "off," couldn't explain it, but kept saying to my hubby, "I don't feel like I used to in a GI sense. I wonder if I have Crohn's disease?" Odd that I said that, you know, but there it was. Sort of vague things, but GI system was "off." I kept wondering, but limping along.

12/12/12 found a perianal "bump." Long story short, it was an abscess that turned to a perianal fistula.

Got a seton placed in spring of 2013; have had it ever since. Strictured/narrowed at the exit there a few times and have suffered the indignity of multiple dilations. Never had that problem before.

Have con't to feel "off" through 2013-2014: low grade fevers, fatigue, bloating... then developed soreness in the anal canal on the opposite side, tenesmus (the feeling you can't get off the toilet; you're not empty), a "swollen" feeling right at the exit. Just never feeling "good," if you know what I mean. Developed a + C-reactive protein, too.

I tried diet changes, FODMAP, and currently am on Align, the probiotic. I do think the Align is helping a bit with the bloating, etc. We tried Canasa suppositories, but they seemed to make things worse down there, so GI had me stop them.

Upper and lower scopes were done, and of course, I was in the gray area (is it IBD? is it something else?)

I don't have pouchitis symptoms; au contraire. Usually my issue, if I'm having one, is that the stool is too thick. I sometimes have to take a magnesium to loosen things up, I've even had to end up grabbing an enema here and there. It's not constantly a problem, but it can be. I go to the bathroom 4-7 times a day, on average. My consistency is *normally* my normal, but again, sometimes too thick for my liking (I prefer a looser stool; I'm continent whether it's loose or not).

My biopsies did show some low-level pouchitis; we've tried me on Cipro a few times (unfortunately I'm allergic to Flagyl), but mostly it's for increased bleeding and discharge from the fistula, not so much for pouchitis symptoms (though I told the GI I think I may have had "simmering" pouchitis type symptoms, and I just got used to them? I don't know, but I have a pretty high pain and discomfort tolerance overall, for all kinds of things, pouchitis likely included.)

So, just looking for some souls who have been to this point to talk with/hear stories from. Thanks for any advice, etc. that you have. Or also, anyone who's researched or knows anything about this kind of situation.

Thanks bunches. Smiler
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I have every single symptom you describe except the fistula. I can also add chronic tailbone pain to the list. I have had them on and off (more on) pretty much since pouch creation almost. 4 long years ago. I kept asking if I could have peri anal crohns as most my issues are in the anal canal area and the very little cuff left. Never ever had this pain to this extent in this area in 25 years of UC. I also struggle with ongoing narrowing of my anastomoses and lower distal pouchtis due to this. I need cipro to survive with the pouch. When I have these issues I also struggle immensely with anal fissures right at the very exit of the anus. They are very debilitating and incredibly painful. I have throbbing all the time when they act up.

I personally would have gotten rid of this pouch if I did not have to go through the major surgery to completely remove it. Leaving it in with an ostomy will not solve my problems I am certain. If I finally dig up the nerve to undergo major surgery again I am going to have it completely removed. I don't care what they diagnose my issues with at this time. All I know is they are completely magnified since having this operation. It's also costing me a fortune for Canasa, vsl3, rectiv, numbing creams, tp, various ointments for pain etc. I totally get what you are experiencing.
No Biologics experience here to offer, just empathy and support-I'm sorry you are dealing with all of this.

Hasn't humira been shown to help heal fistulas in those with Crohn's? For some reason, I am thinking yes. I was basically deteriorated in my quality of life and tired enough of the hassle factors in dealing with everything I had going on, that I was ready to pull the plug on trying biologics, when I opted at the last minute to just try Immuran, which by some luck has been working for me, but regardless, I went thru the decision making process and eventually concluded that yes, that was a next step I was willing to take. I think we know when we have been marching along like a good soldier and it is time to try something different. Maybe you are ready? Sometimes you can only mark time for so long before getting restless. And IF this biologic has potential to not only help with your overall GI-off-ed-ness but maybe even possibly heal the fistula, that might be a risk worth taking. Please don't take my word on Humira and fistula healing, but if you do some research on it and it shows possibility, maybe it is a good option? For me, once it was clear things were not going to get better, and not only that, but the writing was on the wall that things were probably going to get slowly worse over time, that is when I knew it was time to make a big leap of faith jump to the next untried thing. And even though the risks of biologics can be scary, I found ways to put them in perspective (i.e. I have a way higher chance of dying in a car accident than from Biologics, but I still choose to drive everyday).

I hope someone who has had success with biologics for pouch and/or fistula treatment chimes in! I wish you the best-
I am on Simponi now (was on Humira for about 5 years), not specifically for pouch symptoms, but for inflammatory arthritis. That said, my arthritis symptoms are quite improved (improved, but not gone). As an added benefit, my chronic cuffitis is seldom flaring, pouchitis symptoms rare, and mild when they do occur. My scopes have never been better since being on biologics.

Not a cure-all, but for me, a life-saver. Yes, I have to have blood tests every three months, but it is no big deal for me. Small price for my improved quality of life.

Jan Smiler
This is off the initial topic a bit but I am glad you mentioned your success with biologics Jan. I think more of us should be offered this option before ditching the pouch.

I finally made an appt with a rheumatologist for my joint and muscle aches and now the severe tailbone pain. I was worried I might have a spinal infection as my cuff has been really flaring the last few days and the tailbone pain has been ongoing. My recent MRI without contrast did not show any abscess or fistula. I'm going to talk to the Rheumy about biologics. I would not be opposed to the biologic route if they find anything arthritic going on esp if it settles the pouch and cuff down too.
Yes. His thoughts for Humira is the chance it *could* heal the fistula.

I'm a ball of weird emotions over it: joy, fear, and even, yes, guilt. Guilt, you say? Because... Am I "sick ENOUGH?" I'm a critical care nurse, I see tons of very sick people... And I'm like, yes. I feel a bit of guilt. The problem with an "invisible" disease, and also, I'm not EVERY day in horrible discomfort (though some days ARE bad). I think I've gotten used to a "new" normal, that isn't great, and now, yes, there's guilt along with all the other emotions. Also, fear it won't work... But I'm trying to bury that, and take a day at a time.
I know exactly what you are talking about, Rachel! When I finally caved in and complained to my primary about my SI pain, I felt like I just was not being tough enough. The pain was not intolerable, but relenting, distracting, and preventing me from carrying on normally.

When I got my referral to the rheumy, and she quickly connected the dots, I felt likeI wasn't being a wuss after all. We get used to chronic stuff too easily.

Jan Smiler

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