Effects of a salty snack or calorie rush ?

Since takedown I've been suffering from fatigue, tiredness, grogginess, a lack of enthusiasm and bouts of low potassium, all apparently due to dehydration, although I drink lots and I eat well.

However, a couple of days ago, i was feeling so tired mid afternoon that I couldnt stay awake any longer; had battled for last hour to stay awake. 

just prior to laying on the bed, I ate a packet of Salt n Viniger Crisps; kind of the British equivalent to Pringles; I probably ate equivalent of a quarte of a Pringles tube.

Within minutes of eating the salty crisps, my tiredness lifted and I was full of energy.

I was able to remain awake all afternoon, throughout the evening and until 2 am, without feelings of fatigue, I even completed many task I'd put off for weeks.

When I explained this to my Doctor, she believe it was a reaction to the calorie content of the crisps rather than the salt ?

This surprised me, as I've never noticed or experience this kind of reaction before, especially to calorie content 

I eat well, I weigh 16.7st (234lbs), 6.3ft tall (1.90m) and male;

I actually believed I'd discovered the cause of my fatigue ?

Any thoughts ?

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So your doctor’s theory about your fatigue sounds like low blood sugar. The starch in the crisps is converted almost immediately to sugar, and gives you a quick boost of that. The salt also has an immediate effect. You can test this theory more cleanly by consuming a purer form of sugar next time, without the salt. Soda or a candy bar wold be reasonable candidates.

I've never had blood sugar issues previously.

   Prior to the J pouch and with the stoma, I also suffered from tiredness but not to the extent I do now.

After a bout of food poisoning, 7 years later, I realised my tiredness was due to hydration 

 Since J pouch surgery and many emergency hospital admissions (due to severe dehydration), I ensure to consume a sufficient amount of fluids.

Due to the many bouts of dehydration, I ensure to consume a rehydration solution every other day, which consisted of 6 teapoonfuls (20g) of Glucose etc to 1 litre of water, mixed with a fruit flavouring such as Vimto, therefore, wouldnt this create the effects of a candy bar ?

Daily, I also drink a couple of 250ml glasses of Uk Zero Sugar Fanta, which states it contains 1.3g of sugar per 250 ml serving which taste really sweet.

Since July this year, I've had four blood test, first one an annual check: a full blood count, which apparently test for everything and only revealed low Potassium.

Next two blood test, only monitored my Potassium and iron level.

Last full blood count, 3 months ago and all ok, including my Potassium and iron levels.

I have another full blood count booked for next week, but this time, will include test for Magnesium level and B12.

No idea why Magnesium and B12 not included with first full blood count, when it was meant to test for everything.

However, I believe it's unlikely I'd develope Diabetes, I'm not overweight or lead an unhealthy lifestyle, I dont drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, use recreational drugs or live off junk food.

For near 30 years, until my J pouch surgery, I've always participated in somekind of fitness routine, at least 3 x per week.

You may want to pull up that potassium count and iron too. Try adding more bananas to you diet. They are exellent source of carbs and high in potassium. See if it works. And spinach for your iron . Maybe its just that you had low blood sugar and so you were feeling tired.

Raj posted:

You may want to pull up that potassium count and iron too. Try adding more bananas to you diet. They are exellent source of carbs and high in potassium. See if it works. And spinach for your iron . Maybe its just that you had low blood sugar and so you were feeling tired.

Due to years of fitness training, weightlifting etc, I have a good understanding of diet and what nutrients various food contain and although, I don't purposely eat an iron or potassium enriched diet, I do believe I eat a sufficient amount of the correct foods; inbetween flare ups and when not recovering from surgery, I've always maintained a good height to weight ratio for my size.  

strange posted:
Raj posted:

You may want to pull up that potassium count and iron too. Try adding more bananas to you diet. They are exellent source of carbs and high in potassium. See if it works. And spinach for your iron . Maybe its just that you had low blood sugar and so you were feeling tired.

Due to years of fitness training, weightlifting etc, I have a good understanding of diet at what nutrients various food contain and although, I don't purposely eat an iron or potassium enriched diet, I do believe I eat a sufficient amount of the correct foods; inbetween flare ups and when not recovering from surgery, I've always maintained a good height to weight ration for my size.  

Bruh then my best bet would be you just didnt eat a good breakfast that day. Anyway I cant have too many chips bloats me for the whole day . Instead I eat multigrain baked chips now. Dont taste that good but atleast saves me from the bloated tummy.

I can eat everything and anything without issue or bloating; only exceptions are poridge oats and, boiled egg very late in the evening; the porridge oats will increase my output to a noticeable difference anytime and the egg, within minutes of eating, I need the toilet, especially late evening but not so obvious during the day.

  I eat very well, I never skip meals and I always have a good breakfast.

I appreciate everyones   opinion and I'm sorry for coming across as dismissive but I'm convinced it.was the salt content of the crisps that made the difference rather than a sugar or calorie rush.

I eat bananas often, but it's claimed to eat at least 7 to raise Potassium level.

Best source of Potassium is a baked potatoe, which I eat often, not because of the Potassium content but because I like them, especially with baked beans, melted cheese and coleslaw on the side.

In the meantime, I'll continue to experiment with my salt intake but most of the time, any benefit is so difficult to noticet; that is, until I think about it and then realise, 2 hours ago, I was totally exhausted but now I'm not and haven't been for quite some time; trust me, it's more difficult than it sounds.

So much for my salt deficiency and Salt n Viniger Crisps theory.

Exactly the same level of tiredness and exhaustion felt late this afternoon; I ate my crisp and I've just woke up now; I don't even remember falling asleep, I've been asleep, two hours.

You seem to be assuming that the fatigue is somehow related to diet and J Pouch issues-  but it could be something else systemic in nature that is entirely unrelated to J Pouch or diet. I would suggest making an appointment with your primary care doctor and letting him or her try to figure it out, and determine what tests to run rather than self diagnosing. 

CTBarrister posted:

You seem to be assuming that the fatigue is somehow related to diet and J Pouch issues-  but it could be something else systemic in nature that is entirely unrelated to J Pouch or diet. I would suggest making an appointment with your primary care doctor and letting him or her try to figure it out, and determine what tests to run rather than self diagnosing. 

My fatigue only started to the extent it is now, since my J pouch surgery.

 My bowel was removed during 2005 and although I experienced episode of tiredness during my 9½ years with a Stoma, it was never to the extent it is now; then I wasn't even aware it was most probably a result of dehydration and it never impacted upon my life.

During my time with a stoma, I was very active, visiting the gym 3 times a week and participating in an intense style of self defence; I also went out often and, not returning home till 4 or 5 am on a weekend.

Not longer after my J pouch creation during 2014, I was admitted into Hospital by emergency Ambulance 8 times within 6 months, spending maybe 8-10 days in Hospital on each occasion, suffering from severe dehydration and suspected renal failure; my symptoms of fatigue were very similar then to what ImI experiencing now.

At the time, desipte what I was drinking and how much, I wasn't absorbing enough; there was no prevention just IV hydration.

Since takedown, I've never dehydrated to such an extent.

I'm a roughly 10lbs heavier, than my normal weight, so I'm absorbing food sufficiently.

According to my GP's, although I have a 17 inch neck, I don't fit the profile of a Sleep Apnea sufferer but I've never been tested for such a condition or any other sleep disorder.

My bloods have been tested by the Endocrinology Dept, which revealed nothing.

I've also been referred to a ME (Chronic Fatigue) Specialist, which also revealed nothing.

The self diagnosis and my questions raised within this forum, is all I've got, as my GP's believe my fatigue is caused by dehydration, insisting there's nothing more which can be done and I should drink more

Have you tried any rehydration solution currently. They contain a decwnr amount of salt and glucose. So if its dehydration thats causing the fatigue you'll know. My sleep pattern's also little messed with the pouch. I feel sleepy in the noontime. Its almost like I have to hit the bed. A black coffee or tea would make it go away but its something I never felt before the pouch.

Raj posted:

Have you tried any rehydration solution currently. They contain a decwnr amount of salt and glucose. So if its dehydration thats causing the fatigue you'll know. My sleep pattern's also little messed with the pouch. I feel sleepy in the noontime. Its almost like I have to hit the bed. A black coffee or tea would make it go away but its something I never felt before the pouch.

On occasions, my sleep pattern gets messed up too but at present, I'm sleeping when I should and sleeping well.

In addition to fluids I already consume;  3 times per week  I also prepare and drink an electrolyte mix; which is a rehydration solution recommened by St Marks Hospital, London, which consist of 20g of Glucose + Salt and Bicarbonate of Soda, mixed within 1 litre of water. 

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