I dont know man. Its just that I dont feel too much of a difference with the pouch except for the fact I have to go like 5-6 times a day. But honestly I was already doing that in UC so now its great. I am mot trying to be Arnold like. Its just a dream like many other so I just go there workout and come back with dedication. Also my workout sessions are smaller as I am doing 6x a week. I workout for like 45-50 mins against guys with 3-4 day splits who workout for upto 1.5-2 hrs. I believe in intensity and lesser rest between sets in other words hypertrophy.